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by Witness
Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:47 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Clara Salaman / Live in the present
Replies: 33
Views: 10258

Re: Clara Salaman / Live in the present

Carlyn I imagine that person was saying that it will take at least the next three years for SES to rebrand, reform, remake itself before it can function normally without shedding members. In my opinion it will be more like 5-10 years, plus possibly a new name, some new rules and a new leader. You wr...
by Witness
Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:08 am
Forum: General discussion of SES
Topic: SES PHILOSOPHY: what it’s like and what to watch out for...
Replies: 29
Views: 4571

Re: SES PHILOSOPHY: what it’s like and what to watch out for...

Please send me the notes, or start a new thread with the notes. I think you're underestimating the level of interest in your work!
by Witness
Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:01 am
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Clara Salaman / Live in the present
Replies: 33
Views: 10258

Re: Clara Salaman / Live in the present

Carlynn - I actually think the analogy with communism works even better, and helps to explain why many SES folks are baffled when some of us talk about a power-mad conspiracy at the top of the organization. Like communism, there have been plenty of people in SES with very noble and well-meaning inte...
by Witness
Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:51 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Clara Salaman / Live in the present
Replies: 33
Views: 10258

Re: Clara Salaman / Live in the present

carlynnm8 -

Your initial feeling was right - of course the exercise is meant to feel good - that's how they get ya.
by Witness
Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:33 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Just found you.
Replies: 6
Views: 2869

Re: Just found you.

Welcome. We're all together here, Blue. I remember the first day I found this forum, several years ago. It was a far better and even more enjoyable moment than subsequent apologies from the few good people still at SES. It was much more important than the people who didn't genuinely apologize but tr...
by Witness
Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:22 pm
Forum: General discussion of SES
Topic: Positive Things
Replies: 4
Views: 1030

Re: Positive Things

Vicariously, I found out what "don't drink the Kool-Aid" really means.
by Witness
Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:22 am
Forum: General discussion of SES
Topic: SES Advertising
Replies: 18
Views: 7728

Re: SES Advertising

Am I allowed a refund? Actually yes, you may be entitled to a refund according to UK law. SES may be in breach of The Trade Descriptions Act 1968, which describes it as an offence if a trader "applies a false trade description to any goods." Though SES is a charity providing a service rat...
by Witness
Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:39 am
Forum: General discussion of SES
Topic: SES Advertising
Replies: 18
Views: 7728

Re: SES Advertising

Join us for 10 sessions designed to find the ways that lead to freedom and happiness.


I thought this abuse of the word 'freedom' went out of fashion when Operation Iraqi Freedom went so horribly wrong and we realized our Leaders were lying to us.

Oops.
by Witness
Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:42 pm
Forum: General discussion of SES
Topic: SES Advertising
Replies: 18
Views: 7728

Re: SES Advertising

This ad will backfire. People are far too sceptical to be sold "happiness" so blatantly. The abuse of the words 'happy' and 'freedom' will turn many people away cringing and then laughing in disbelief. Still, this shows SES is desperate, revealing its true colours. Not the poster with the ...
by Witness
Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:09 am
Forum: Cults and religious organisations generally
Topic: Fun little video on cults..
Replies: 5
Views: 1684

Re: Fun little video on cults..

Yeah - lets get our kids to play 'spot the mind control'. Plenty of techniques in the cult video are also used in the army, in advertising, in offices, in families, in gangs, in politics etc etc. I think cults take something that normally exists everywhere and then take it to an extreme. Parents use...
by Witness
Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:18 pm
Forum: The Australian and NZ schools
Topic: Coming to terms with stupidity
Replies: 110
Views: 31510

Re: Coming to terms with stupidity

Dear Cousin It Feelings of stupidity are common among people who have just left of are thinking of leaving SES and other cults, especially if they have been there for a long time. Please take a look at my recent postings about Exit Counselling and the feelings you are going through. I've also recomm...
by Witness
Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:43 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Clara Salaman / Live in the present
Replies: 33
Views: 10258

Re: Clara Salaman / Live in the present

Interesting stuff. I didn't know about the FWBO leader having sex with his male devotees. It does sound like typical cult hypocrisy. Q. What have Rock Groups and Spiritual Groups got in common? A. Groupies. :-) The joke says it all though, doesn't it. So many ugly, boring drummers out there with gor...
by Witness
Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:23 am
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Clara Salaman / Live in the present
Replies: 33
Views: 10258

Re: Clara Salaman / Live in the present

Good post Witness. I have personal experience of getting involved in a group that gave me much, but ultimately I don't know if what they are teaching is in line with what they purport to be about and my involvement ended up with me compromising on my values (and being a bit of a pain in the bum to ...
by Witness
Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:40 am
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Clara Salaman / Live in the present
Replies: 33
Views: 10258

Exit counseling

I note that Clara's mother and at least one contributor to this forum have left SES as a consequence of Shame on You . There'll surely be a surge in resignations from SES in the wake of the book. I think we have a responsibility to look after the potential escapees, many of whom will be feeling deep...

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