anyone interested in REAL philosophy?

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Re: real philosophy

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:40 pm

Christoph wrote:Nothing philosophical whatever, I would say. Just the white eccentric middle-class English sensibilities of a group of people who played 'follow my leader' with great enthusiasm and lack of common sense.




They didn't seem that enthusiastic to me....
just curious, are woman allowed to wear trousers now at SES?
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Postby adrasteia » Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:54 am

People in the introductory groups, part 1, 2 etc. Can wear skirts/trousers/ski-suits whatever!
Later it is all part of 'coming under the discipline' and dressing with grace, elegance, modesty etc.
No-one can force anyone to wear a skirt, of course, but I think you'll find that in Ses company at least, those (women!) who have progressesed up the Ses ladder, do.

TB

Dawkins and his views on religion etc

Postby TB » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:04 pm

Christoph, glad you asked about Dawkins, somone who I have read and contemplated upon.
Returning to philosophy and science - what do others here think of Richard Dawkins? To me, he's a great scientist in his field, but it seems he becomes irrational when it comes to people with even the slightest religious inclinations

Dawkins is a remarkable thinker and well prepared to think unpopular thoughts, his work on the extended phenotype and selfish gene evidence this. He is also highly critical of anything outside scientific rigour, from homeopathy to religion, in other words 'non scientific'. He has become as bigotted and arrogant as those in the systems he criticises. I suppose moral standpoints arise inevitably in the work he does - after all he really does face ideological wars from creationists and his late foe SJ Gould, but to my mind he is not doing himself any favours.

As a moral philosopher he is Neanderthal. He seems to miss the point that philosophy, religion, science all seek objective reality/truth. His recent work, 'the Devil's Chaplain', has some essays attacking non scientific stuff, and by his own stated standards of logic and rigour they are embarrassing. However, the topics are stimulating, his evolutionary messages are powerful and well supported, still, I fear for his unmanifest soul.

I have particular interest in reality seeking systems of any type as well as the fact that such systems exist at all. I would be delighted to have discussion around the interaction of philosophy, religion, science etc. I spent a few years as an SES student, enjoyed the teaching and principles, but I found the pressure to conform intolerable, so I left.


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