More male bashing from ADG -- is there something in those TimTams ?
How about justifying your statistical "facts" ? -- what universities, whose figures etc etc ( even the Tarot,Belly Dancing and Astrology courses at local universities have a significant male fraction -- your figures do not look consistent to my experience of university enrolments and anyway Australia is atypical of most higher education compositions due to the numbers of foreign students and the relative avoidance of "hard" courses like mathematics and engineering in favour of the 'soft' options overall.
Whilst you obviously enjoy belittling the efforts of engineers you should at least keep in mind the facts that it is they who produce your Tim Tams and the television that one settles in front of to watch "days of our lives" or 'young doctors" etc .
Do you think 74% of surgeons are female ? Is "medicine" a catch all for nursing , research, lab technicians etc ? Likewise Vet science etc . How many more economists, business"leaders" etc does the world really need and what will they do to feed,house,clothe, sewer, transport, heal ..etc future generations if there are no engineers around ? A preponderance of female primary school teachers is recognized as a weakness of the school system and it's adverse effects on male students (matriarchy by stealth?)
The X ray machine, CAT scanner, magnetic resonance imager etc that reveals dietary caused tumors,obesity related internal disorders or other medical problems and the ultrafine needles,surgical tubing,peristaltic pumps ,etc etc that treat "Tim Tam syndrome" are all products of those stupid patriarchial engineers and technicians ,tradespeople etc -- bloody good thing that they are not as judgemental as you are when it comes to dispensing the solutions to irresponsible behaviour
Having spent more time than I would have liked in hospitals I never cease to be amazed at people just 'recovering' from major surgery like heart by pass or leg amputation continuing to smoke like chimneys (even some nurses who surely should know better )
This whole syndrome of repudiating the very basis of your own prosperity and standard of living in favour of some backward,non scientific mumbo jumbo is at the heart of the whole SES and general anti western thing .
The ADG mindset is perilously close to the SES philosophy in actual fact .
The sort of feminism that denies obvious fact in favour of wishful dogma is not really about building up womankind but rather about trying to denigrate mankind so as to appear (to itself) to be superior.
The arch feminist Germaine Greer, in her recent diatribe against Western,patriarchial, culture proposing that Australia should return to an "aboriginal republic" based on hunter gatherer social organization --
"Whitefella Jump Up" -- talks about 'Whitefella spiritual desolation' and how the solution to all our problems is to'adopt aboriginal wisdom' .
The Newstatesman review of her thesis included the results of the reporter asking a couple of genuine Aboriginal 'activists' in England what they thought of Greer's idea that 'whitefellas' should adopt the aboriginal dreaming culture -- they reacted angrily denouncing her fashionable idea as 'stealing' and debasing the only thing they had left after the white man stole their land .
Whilst superficially reasonably interesting to read in parts Greers' claims are not fact based (she even claimed to have arranged to be met by local aboriginal 'owners' at Australian airports to get their permission to enter our'stolen' land --- apart from eyewitness refutation of this I wonder how she goes about finding a representative of the Picts to 'permit' her to re enter the "United" kingdom stolen by force by the celts,romans,normans,saxons etc.)
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www.newstatesman.com/World/ 2004080020032 and others )
This malcontentment with the basic principles of western culture,science,technology and philosophy in favour of 'adopting' someone else's ancient pre industrial, prescientific worldview and belief system not only applies to the idealized "noble savage" aboriginal mythology but equally to the anti western, superstitious ,indian ,hindu mysticism espoused by the SES .
Same dissatisfaction with your own society and a yearning for some predigested long ago primitive religiosity to cling to to find some solace (or even the solace to be found from sucking on a TimTam -- I do not think this would be a particularly edifying spectacle and beggars the imagination -- some freudian explanation or delayed thumb sucking in times of stress perhaps)
Engineers and scientists find the world an endlessly fascinating and challenging place with great insights into the basic workings of the universe to be found even in the most mundane tasks ( for example a friend of mine had to analyze the flow of sewerage -shit in fact- through the Perth sewerage system using the engineering of aero and hydrodynamic flows with allowances for diurnal variations etc .
The discontents of modern western society are oblivious to the intellectual efforts and understandings that make their lives so easy and give them the time to bitch about 'how bad things are' and 'how much better it would be if we all went back to the nice ways of the aboriginals/ hindus/ guru of the month 'etc .
So, on topic, "what has changed in the SES schools"?
I would have thought that not much could be expected to have changed from a cult basing itself on 5000 year old superstitions. (that will inevitably include a few recognizable homilies like "be nice to your parents, the old, your teachers etc " but also includes loads of complete drivel and hate inspiring garbage that leads to events like September 11 or the London bombings (or rabid anti feminism per se )
Most people exposed to the SES/SOP will NOT be deeply embedded in their 'advanced' level classes or even their junior schools but will be amongst those who do one or two semesters of the "introductory" course and get just enough of an inkling of their anti western agenda to feel something is amiss and leave -- only those who feel that any threat to the edifice of western scientific thought should be countered not ignored and that rational western culture is worthy of defending against all threats will think action to be needed.
This is not unlike the present moves to give 'equal time' to biblical creationism in school curricula as against the 'unproven' theory of evolution -- following the consequences of opposing schools of thought through to their logical conclusions should show the dangers of letting lies masquerade as truth and particularly where young or impressionable minds are involved .
I do not think I would want any children of mine to be subject to the mind control of the SES but equally I would take steps to counter the pernicious teachings of rampant feminism (man hating in truth) to any daughters (or sons) and certainly to debunk the proposition that technology,science and rationality have failed the world and we must retreat back to stone age or ancient superstitions and religiosity.
Can I suggest that any exclusively feminist discussion could be moved to a seperate new thread so that misandrony can be indulged in without limit and the correlation to specific SES teachings can be ignored .
Likewise TimTam waffle could be the subject of another thread having as it's object the self aggrandizement of the contributors who engage in witty chit chat intended to show how smug or mutually appreciative they can be.
For now, R.