The substance of SES teachings.
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:41 pm
The very existence of the SES and SOP presupposes some sort of line of thinking and belief system distinct from any other,( in enough of a degree to distinguish itself from them to go to the effort of setting up a whole new organization), and having something going for it that has allowed it to continue. A merely logical statement, but I would like to explore what basically this knowledge or whatever is and whether it has any intrinsic value .
Although it seems the SES and it's St James affiliate have caused a great deal of distress, mental damage and 'negative outcomes' to put it mildly yet there seem to be some threads of genuine wisdom or at least intriguing possibilities lurking somewhere in the overall Hindu culture . Is there anything that can be extracted from the basic background teachings of the SES that might be termed the "baby" that should perhaps not be tossed out with the bathwater ?
Pre reformation Christianity itself was a pretty sad mess of abuse and corrupted dogma and vestiges of child abuse remain in the mainstream churches let alone the numerous cults -- the close relationship of Judaeism,Christianity and Islam have paradoxically led to some of the most blood thirsty wars and on- going conflict whilst Hinduism has notably different 'world views' and no doubt also attracted intelligent people who used the time and mental training afforded by religious life to pursue non religious or abstract thinking and ,as with not a few christian clerics, made important contributions to the study of science and natural or pure philosophy .
From just glancing contact to a little Hindu originated cosmology and some remarkable artifacts implying a high level of technological sophistication in mathematics it seems that some of the intellectual acheivements of the Hindu related society would be worth study -- Is there anyone from or in the SES that would care to illuminate this aspect of the 'general discussion on the SES' ?
Here is an extremely interesting website that certainly gives a great deal to ponder -- www.atributetohinduism.com -- various subsections and links go into great detail on the mathematical philosophy of Hinduism and touch on the Vedic system, (not in enough detail for useful application though ) etc and the 'science fiction' aspects of flying chariots and nuclear warfare etc in ancient times as part of the Hindu "Genesis" or Exodus accounts apparently meant to be read as fact.
Has anybody a non sanscrit translation of particularly the mathematical philosophy ?
Interestingly the Melbourne "Erasmus" school selected 'Alice in Wonderland' for it's children's play -- interesting because of the fundamentally intellectual basis of the story which is based on logical propositions and their opposites that arise in mathematical analysis -- Lewis Carroll, the author's pseudonym, was an accomplished theoretical mathematician and incorporated a lot of the logical deduction process into "Alice" along with some 'Hinduish' counter logic ......
Unlike Scientology which is based on little more than an understanding of psychological exploitation and mumbo jumbo but may have drawn on some of the background 'science mythology' of Hinduism- perhaps via Gurdjieff- there may be a kernal of true value in some of the source teaching of the SES that might be stripped of the dross and unneccesary mystery that has surrounded it and be worth preserving (like a lot of the classic Greek teaching was riddled with error and theistic overtones, even Newton had his dark side what with Alchemy etc but had a real core of worthwhile and invaluable new insight )
Presumably anyone who has been in the movement for a number of years has inside knowledge of such things and might like to explain or comment explicitly on the 'good' side of the SES's teachings - take this as an opportunity to make the case if you like. I would be personally interested to learn what of substance is behind it
Any takers? Ross.N
Although it seems the SES and it's St James affiliate have caused a great deal of distress, mental damage and 'negative outcomes' to put it mildly yet there seem to be some threads of genuine wisdom or at least intriguing possibilities lurking somewhere in the overall Hindu culture . Is there anything that can be extracted from the basic background teachings of the SES that might be termed the "baby" that should perhaps not be tossed out with the bathwater ?
Pre reformation Christianity itself was a pretty sad mess of abuse and corrupted dogma and vestiges of child abuse remain in the mainstream churches let alone the numerous cults -- the close relationship of Judaeism,Christianity and Islam have paradoxically led to some of the most blood thirsty wars and on- going conflict whilst Hinduism has notably different 'world views' and no doubt also attracted intelligent people who used the time and mental training afforded by religious life to pursue non religious or abstract thinking and ,as with not a few christian clerics, made important contributions to the study of science and natural or pure philosophy .
From just glancing contact to a little Hindu originated cosmology and some remarkable artifacts implying a high level of technological sophistication in mathematics it seems that some of the intellectual acheivements of the Hindu related society would be worth study -- Is there anyone from or in the SES that would care to illuminate this aspect of the 'general discussion on the SES' ?
Here is an extremely interesting website that certainly gives a great deal to ponder -- www.atributetohinduism.com -- various subsections and links go into great detail on the mathematical philosophy of Hinduism and touch on the Vedic system, (not in enough detail for useful application though ) etc and the 'science fiction' aspects of flying chariots and nuclear warfare etc in ancient times as part of the Hindu "Genesis" or Exodus accounts apparently meant to be read as fact.
Has anybody a non sanscrit translation of particularly the mathematical philosophy ?
Interestingly the Melbourne "Erasmus" school selected 'Alice in Wonderland' for it's children's play -- interesting because of the fundamentally intellectual basis of the story which is based on logical propositions and their opposites that arise in mathematical analysis -- Lewis Carroll, the author's pseudonym, was an accomplished theoretical mathematician and incorporated a lot of the logical deduction process into "Alice" along with some 'Hinduish' counter logic ......
Unlike Scientology which is based on little more than an understanding of psychological exploitation and mumbo jumbo but may have drawn on some of the background 'science mythology' of Hinduism- perhaps via Gurdjieff- there may be a kernal of true value in some of the source teaching of the SES that might be stripped of the dross and unneccesary mystery that has surrounded it and be worth preserving (like a lot of the classic Greek teaching was riddled with error and theistic overtones, even Newton had his dark side what with Alchemy etc but had a real core of worthwhile and invaluable new insight )
Presumably anyone who has been in the movement for a number of years has inside knowledge of such things and might like to explain or comment explicitly on the 'good' side of the SES's teachings - take this as an opportunity to make the case if you like. I would be personally interested to learn what of substance is behind it
Any takers? Ross.N