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Postby chittani » Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:53 pm

"It has been said that all of Western philosophy is a footnote to Plato."


oh God. It hasn't been said by anyone but the SES.


NYC, not so. It was Alfred North Whitehead.

http://www.philosophicalsociety.com/Archives/Plato%20And%20The%20Theory%20Of%20Forms.htm

What will we all do when there is no more SES to blame? :fadein:

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Postby NYC » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:18 pm

Following your own link, I read that Alfred North Whitehead said

"All western philosophy consists of footnotes to Plato," meaning that western philosophers always end up referencing Plato in a footnote -- not that

"all of western philosophy IS a footnote to Plato," implying that everybody after Plato agreed with his philosophical viewpoint and made minor little contributions in the same vein. Which is a retarded thing to claim -- right up there with "Ficino single-handedly brought about the Renaissance," which a tutor read to us in Part 2. To his credit the man was embarassed by the claim.
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Postby chittani » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:55 pm

A 'footnote to Plato' isn't a footnote that references Plato! D'oh!

This quote from Emerson at the head of the article I linked to explains the sense of it:

"Plato is philosophy, and philosophy, Plato, -- at once the glory and the shame of mankind, since neither Saxon nor Roman have availed to add any idea to his categories. No wife, no children had he, and the thinkers of all civilized nations are his posterity and are tinged with his mind."

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Postby NYC » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:41 am

Since we?re quoting?

Peter Sanders Reynolds wrote:Debenham once said seeing as we had Mozart there was no need for any more composers and that was why musical composition and theory was not taught at St James.


http://www.whyaretheydead.net/phpBB2/vi ... m&start=30

care to defend that one?
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Postby chittani » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:36 am

No. I don't defend anything.

Who appointed you as the prosecutor, anyway?

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Postby a different guest » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:25 am

well chit, you seem to have been 'defending" a fair bit. As for your quote - "No wife, no children had he, and the thinkers of all civilized nations are his posterity and are tinged with his mind." I would disagree - but the SES is not big on post-modersist thought. :P

Now can we gat back on track about the qualifications of the teaching staff at the sydney primary school?
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Postby chittani » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:24 pm

ADG

Maybe I'm getting bored - bored with the topic, bored with the board. I know one thing though - I'd rather be a modern postman than a post-modern man ...

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Postby a different guest » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:42 am

so what do you think is so good about being a postie??? Is it cos they now get little motorbikes to ride rther than bicycles? Still not fun on a cold wet winters day.
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Teaching Qualifications

Postby Temporarily Duped » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:43 am

ADG

In Melbourne, at least for the last 10 years, it is quite difficult to get a teaching position at a primary school with the one year Diploma. Although it is possible for art/music/Lote teachers and those more specialist part time teachers.
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Postby a different guest » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:14 am

Thank goodness you're back TD :)

Re Grad Dips for primary teaching - I had a friend who looked into this and generally the 1 year grad dip may need to be 'topped up' with an extra subject or two in the area you are seen as lacking in. For example, someone with a science type degree would need to do a bit of extra study in English. This friend was in NSW. He had to submit his various qualifications and work experience to be assessed. As it turned out, with an arts degree and later post grad stuff in computer science etc. his education was considered broad enough and rounded out enough that he didn't need anything more than the 1 year Grad Dip.

That being said, when they made this possible for people I very much doubt they had in mind a Primary school where ALL the teachers were grad Dips. The norm would be for the vast majority to be truly teacher trained, and the 1 or 2 grad dips could get help from their colleques.

If they are ALL grad dips it seems a bit like the blind leading the blind.

You mentioned before about discipline at the school, but never given any details. Are you able to tell us more?

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Postby AntonR » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:19 am

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Postby a different guest » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:15 am

Just to add more - I saw a couple recently who I haven't seen for ages. They are both involved in education (state), very experienced, quite senior etc etc. I asked them what they thought of a primary school where all the teachers their qualifications were just Grad Dips. They were horrified.

Then I mentioned John Colet by name and they knew it as they are familiar with that school district The local state schools do get kids from there(in one particular case they knew of the child had been made to leave as the kid had a slight disability which result in some behavioural problems).

It is known in the area as the school you DON'T send kids too if you want them to 'learn to read and write and do maths'.

They also said the school often features in the local newspaper. The paper is The Manly Daily. This is not your average once-a-week local rag, but a big local paper with a very wide distribution area and IS a 'daily'. So not your average local paper.
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Postby mm- » Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:19 am

ADG Wrote:

It is known in the area as the school you DON'T send kids too if you want them to 'learn to read and write and do maths'.


I think this should apply to St James in London as well.

The standard of teaching is really dismal. I am amazed at how some children at St James can barely read simple English but can write and recite the Sanscrit alphabet to perfection. Maths, well what can I say, you might as well forget about maths, the majority of children at the school simply do not have a clue where this subject is concerned.

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Postby Temporarily Duped » Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:43 am

ADG

Good to know I have been missed. I am so flat out with work & family that I hardly get time to contribute but I am following the forum weekly at the least.

Anton

Thanks for your posts. They are always informative. Unfortunately, the information often upsets me . The thought makes me feel sick to the stomach.
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Postby a different guest » Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:10 pm

I also noticed prep and other students that were obviously sent out of the classroom standing alone in the corridor .


Just to take one thing in isolation - this is hardly an appropriate discimpline for primary aged kids. I see where you are coming from TD.
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