Frodo wrote:Yes, I did get it wrong about whether it was your mother or your father who had an affair. I couldn't find the original thread where I'd read that. It was your father. Well, like I said, I'm really sad for you. But it still isn't clear to me (I obviously didn't have the benefits of a classical education like what you did) what you're saying. In the thread concerned, the question was about whether or not the SES is a hotbed of immorality. You actually say that it is a gaurdian of immorality. I was saying that in a large body of people that has been gathering for several decades, there are bound to be some unfortunate affairs of this nature. You say there were hundreds of people present at Waterperry. Well, if you dipped a giant ladel anywhere into any community, village, city, whatever and drew out hundreds of people, I'd bet you'd find more than a few indiscretions.
Then you say that the SES protected your father but ostracised your mother. I just don't know what this means or what actually happened. Did senior SES people form a ring around him and beat your mother away with sticks? I don't know and I don't trust my imagination to accurately guess.
A code of silence and denial existed amongst the higher levels of the SES that protected those people who were in that group. My mother and father were part of that group and yes my mother was pushed out because she began to become a threat to the stability of that exclusive club. My father spent weeks away from his family on SES business. Protected from criticism and conducting an affair in the presence of all the other members of that core group. So, Yes, the SES was guarding that immoral behaviour in full knowledge of its existence. It suited them to do that regardless of the moral issues and the damage that it was causing to my family.
If you want to raise an issue out of its original context and then proceed to summarise it inaccurately, please don't then re-contextualise it to serve your own spurios defence. I refer specifically to the discussion about the SES being a hotbed of immorality.
I know that there are many other instances of extra-marital affairs within memebers of the SES and I am sure that the stats compared to society in general are similar, or whatever. My example is of the senior memebers of the SES and their determination to ignore, protect, condone - call it what you will - immoral behaviour taking place right under their noses in order to preserve the the SES status quo. When I challenged a memeber of this group directly, I was met with a stonewall of denial and rather than attempt to suggest ways of helping my mother I was persistenly advised that I should remain in the SES as that was the only way I could realise the Truth.
I also fail to see what relevance a classical education has on this discussion either - you need to exercise common sense, of which I am certain you are amply imbued.
Frodo wrote:Meanwhile, you upbraid me on my attitude, my delusions and my credibility in front of hundreds of web users and then complain that McLaren could be harsh!
Hundreds of people were present in the room at Waterperry witnessing MacLaren verbally humiliating my mother to the point of tears. I can only assume in an attempt to further humiliate and alienate her from the group. This was a truly dispicable act and I have heard from some who witnessed it that they too were appalled yet were too afraid to speak out.
I hardly think that questioning your credibility on this website compares in the least - you are anonymous and I have attacked only your line of argument and your research and you are free to respond at your leisure. Do not presume to compare a verbal assault and character assassination in front of your friends and fellow students with a gentle grilling on an internet forum.
Frodo wrote:Having finally located that original thread, I find some questions posed to me personally.
The SES displays all the signs of a cult.
Not all the signs, no. Charismatic leadership, unquestioning obedience, financial motives, rigid dogma .. . none of these.
Please see the following for my thoughts on this:http://www.whyaretheydead.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=201&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Frodo wrote:The SES is morally impoverished.
The SES is often accused on this web page of being overly moralistic.
I'm sure you guess my response to this.
Frodo wrote:The SES, as an institution, is hypocritical
Which addresses the above, I suppose. I am sure that there are members of the SES who's moral values are unsound and who engage in immoral activities. An institution as such can't itself have feelings.
Hypocrisy is nothing to do with feelings it is about contradicting, in actions, stated aims and values.
Frodo wrote:The SES emotionally abuses its students.
There are numerous testimonies on this forum and I have first hand knowledge of countless other examples of instances where the SES has psychologically abused students, causing varying degrees of emotional pain, all justified by the ideology that the organisation espouses.
Frodo wrote:The SES recruits from the St James schools.
How did I do?
Do you think that St James should be a recruiting ground for the SES? I do not think that this is a good idea especially considering that many parents are unaware of the dependency that their child's school has upon an organisation which promotes the aforementioned beliefs.
As to how you did; I think you did very well under the circumstances. i.e. your lack of knowledge of the SES and St James. Please demonstrate that am mistaken in this respect.