you have many parents who simply dont care, and set no boundaries for their children. State schools in the UK, unlike Australian state schools in my experience are run by teachers who did not care and were more interested in what their trade union was doing for them! than a child getting an education , or their maiuntaining discipline in the classroom. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule.
I have worked in the toughest inner city schools in london for over 10 years and your statement does not square up to my experience. Most teachers are pretty dedicated, the exception being those who are not up to the task, who do exist.
chrisdevere wrote:Interestingly a popular program on TV here has been bad lads army, where they have taken drop outs and kids who have brushed with the law and put them through 1950's national service training. most at the end of the program have come out saying that they benefitted from the experience and have a great deal more self respect..
How did this help them get an academic education? Kids don't steal fight and cause trouble because they lack self respect, thats just social worker babble.
chrisdevere wrote:i do not understand how you nurture a child who has no structure or discipline in their life though.
Well it's the job of schools to find a way. Do you think beating a disruptive violent child who sees his father punching his mother out every other night will be effective? Fair? Or caning a girl who is being victimised
or abused at home?
You say state schools had a discipline problem in the 70's, yet the cane was legal.
chrisdevere wrote:In the same context, I would have no problem with a child being caned as a punishment for a very serious transgression, where all other methods have failed. I do not condone beating for minor transgression or at a guardians whim.
As one who has been confronted by knives, life threats, hurled objects etc in inner london state schools and believe use of the cane would be unfair and inneffective, I disagree with you. However I would not have been bothered if i was only beaten as a last resort at St James, ( my father whacked me, i don't have any problems with him) but i was beaten all the time, severly for plaing arcade games after school, and sometimes for absolutely no reason. As an example I was once sent out for talking, after about 10 minutes Debenham walked past, pulled me into his study and caned me. The only logical explanation is the guy got some kind of buzz from it.
chrisdevere wrote:All public schools beat kids then, it was the norm in he UK..
Have academic standards fallen in the UK now the cane is illegal? It is also worth comparing different countries and looking at those who ban corporal punishment and those with the highest academic results.
chrisdevere wrote: Most parents accepted it as it was used very rarely and then for major transgressions. e.g. a friend of mine at Gordonston who punched a junior in the face,because he was annoying. He got caned, did his parents complain (no) He did noit either as he knew he deserved it, it also deterred him from doing it again. In his words it bloddy hurt! and he decided the fun of being a thug and bully was outweighed by the fact that someone hit him harder. He would have happily laughed and carried on if not beaten and only told off as he had before.
If he would have happily carried on then logically he will punch younger
kids outside school, where the threat of the cane is removed.